I wanted sub-compact, but having 2 battery platforms sucks. I'm trying to decide which tool set is best for my woodworking needs and I'm surprised that I can't find many video reviews on the black/white compact combo CT322W. These tools are compact, lightweight and offer plenty of power. Sometimes they'll say "we can't say anything yet but keep checking this page", mostly about storage solutions, but most companies don't talk about stuff much until the press release is out. Makita Sub-Compact gives users 12-Volt handling with 18-Volt run time and compatibility with the worlds largest 18-Volt lithium-ion cordless tool system. Do you want a hand held planer, sander, or other wood working tools? Paste as plain text instead, × Charging is slow.... Makita has made a very nice sub compact set. If you aren’t familiar with them, the sub-compact line is a smaller tool, that packs a powerful punch and still uses their 18V battery. The drill is lightweight and feels great in your hands. I own the Milwaukees but I do like Makita...I'd get the Milwaukee, the tools are comparable, though the Makita (I believe) is smaller. Editorial Note: Tools in Action receives compensation from third-party advertisers, but that doesnât affect our editors’ opinions. I use to think if you want power, go with an 18V. if you can wait id hold off for a few months to see what else they will bring out. I have the brushless barrel grip 18v jigsaw, their new brushless 18v recip, the brushless 18v sander and the new compact impact gun. Isn't the deal from HD $169 with a free tool or 4.0 battery? If Makita wanted to, I think they could have charged a premium and gotten away with it. They were groundbreaking when they were released but their size hasn't aged well. Sub-Compact Cutting and Ripping The Sub-Compact 6-1/2” Circular Saw has a compact and ergonomic design at only 10-5/8” and 6.4 lbs. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. But it depends on what tools you want. The entire Sub-Compact lineup is designed to have the compact size and weight of 12-volt tools without forcing you away from Makita’s 18-volt battery. Everything that I own that's teal (or black as is my newest acquisition) is well made, well constructed and exceeds all of my expectations. The drill is so lightweight, it's hard to believe. The assist mode is friggin phenomenal for touch up work but will drive large fasteners easily. Their social media team will say nothing about anything that hasn't been formally announced. The compact size combined with the Makita-built brushless motor delivers up to 5, 000 RPM and a superior power-to-weight ratio. The lightweight and compact design are certainly there along with performance that exceeds most 12-volt tools. Both tools are designed with a brushless motor which means more power and a longer life. While all manufacturers have a compact drill on the market, I can’t find one that competes with the Makita. I like my M12 stuff but the Fuel M12 stuff isn't very compact anymore comparatively. Milwaukee has a sale at my Home Depot where the 12v Fuel is $169, while Makita's sub-compact kit comes with a free third battery for $229. CATERPILLAR 598 CATERPILLAR 598 Tool Extraordinaire; Members; 598 … I'm slightly leaning Makita to begin with. If you were to pick up these tools, I promise you that your first thoughts would be they feel good and they are cool, but won’t perform much work. One thing I've already noticed with the Fuel is the chuck spins. The driver is only 2.8 lbs while the impact is only 2.6 lbs. Â The tools are designed with an incredibleÂ feel to them. The trade-off comes with their available torque and speed. The noise level of the M12 is also crazy high. The CX200RB combo kit contains the XFD11ZB compact drill/driver and the XDT15ZB impact driver. There is more plastic and aluminum making it lighter, but not as durable. The 18V Sub-Compact Hammer Driver-Drill is part of a new class of compact, with the size and weight of lower voltage tools but with the performance, power and compatibility of 18-Volt. If you need a simple comparison, I can give you my personal experience and observations. Makita finishes with a slight advantage over Skil in the overall size race. Makita created a new class in cordless with Makita created a new class in cordless with 18-Volt LXT Sub-Compact tools. The Makita sub-compact tools have been a big hit. of torque. I don’t think so. Itâs accurate to the best of our knowledge when posted. Both of them are great tools. One cool feature to the impact is the modes located at the base of the tool. Chuck for wobble too! Like I said in the intro, you’re going to see a ton more sub-compact models from Makita this year, like the Sub-Compact LXT Reciprocating Saw I used on the Built In Closet project. Square Drive Impact Wrench Kit is ideal for working in tight spaces and for overhead applications. The compact size combined with the Makita-built brushless motor delivers up to 5,000 RPM and a superior power-to-weight ratio. I've also got the brushless grinder and the 36v chainsaw. The 18V sub-compact driver-drill and impact driver are a new category of compact, with the weight and size of lower voltage power tools but with the compatibility, power, and performance of 18V. I'm not planning on purchasing more tools in either platform (I know, famous last words) once I make my decision. Â However, they chose to offer an incredible value for these. Â Personally, I think Makita broke the mold with the subcompact platform. The XBP05ZB is a sub-compact cutting solution designed for one-handed operation in tight spaces and overhead cutting applications. Â These tools are compact, lightweight and offer plenty of power. Performance, size and weight is practically indistinguishable on these two units. The only major flaw is the lack of a hammer option. The 18V Sub-Compact Impact Driver is part of a new class of compact, with the size and weight of lower voltage tools but with the performance, power and compatibility of 18-Volt. It's awkward. Milwaukee has a sale at my Home Depot where the 12v Fuel is $169, while Makita's sub-compact kit comes with a free third battery for $229. Â This is where you’re wrong. This has been on my wish list for some time now. Followers 2. I friggin' love it. Â If you want compact to go with a 12V. You have entered an incorrect email address! × Keep posting in this thread though, as I'm sure others are likely in the same boat with both promotions going on! 0Ah battery, battery and charger sold separately). There new stuff looks great. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk. I already have Milwaukee's surge/hammer drill 18v combo and a Fuel circ. They both feel great ergonomically, and appear to have similar specs. if you wanted to get one id go makita. I’ve been looking at some of the smaller drills and after a lot of debate I think 12v will work for me. Â If you are looking for a perfect drill and driver that won’t break the bank and are the top of the top, the Makita combo kit should be your choice. M12 Fuel vs Makita Sub Compact. In addition to having better ergonomics, I've found that the drill is superior (non-spinning chuck, shorter length) and the impact is as well (assist mode, slightly higher torque). The Makita is a much bigger line for their 18V tools and I really like how I can use one battery platform with the Makita. Thank you! For me it was simple. DeWalt has a 20V MAX tool kit consisting of five tools: a cordless drill, compact driver, flashlight, circular saw, and grinder. Plus the assist mode is actually quite quiet. i have an old milwaukee 9inch grinder thats weighs 14.8 lbs. The feel in the hand is awesome. i dont have a problem at all with my m12 fuel system, i have five tools inside a milwaukee hard case along with four lights, two chargers and a bunch of batteries.cant do that with my 18 volt dewalt system. Big thank you to everyone who's posted. Lots of power for the size tool. I was gonna say... 18v Makita lineup is pretty big too. The hammer function on the m12 Fuel is nice to have but keep in mind that it isn't close to being as good as a m18 hammer functionality...so that difference is relatively moot. La Mirada, CA – Makita® has created a new class in cordless tools with the release of 18V LXT® Sub-Compact Brushless. Pasted as rich text. The impact has 2 speeds and Cam out mode, with led control. Â I still like cases for my tools. This drill/driver sits in between their regular premium line and the sub-compact. Once you pick this tool up, you will understand why I feel this is the drill to own. As of this month their last addition/edition are the Sub compact “Hammer drills” — XPH11ZB and DHP483ZB. I tried hard to find something I don’t like … I'm going to go with the Makita. Makita Sub-Compact Drill XFD11ZB. Â These tools are awesome. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. This isn't to say the Fuel isn't good (it certainly is), but I knew I made the right decision the minute I sank my first screw. Â The drill offersÂ 350 in.lbs. M12 fuel combo for 169 at HD, great price thereSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, They are long overdue for a refresh, it's probably coming soon. I’m a DIYer but want quality features and long lasting performance. I like the feel of the 2753 over the dcf 887 because it feels like its built heavier in the motor and impact mechanism but in reality I'm sure the dcf 887 is probably just as durable and might be less fatiguing over a days work. Display as a link instead, × T, Well the obvious counter would be: Makita's 18V system is triple the size of Milwaukee's 12V. Stay up to Date on Tool Reviews, Tool News and More. Excited! Compact vs Regular. I didn't even put a bit in it; it continues to spin after I release the trigger for a second or two, and this happens on both the 1st and 2nd gear. The drill offers 2 speeds (0-500 & 0-1,700 RPM) and the impact offersÂ (0-1,300/0-3,000 RPM). It seems for $229 you can get the Fuel hammer drill, Fuel impact driver, 4.0 battery, 2.0 battery and a free brushed tool or 4.0 battery. trying to decide between the subcompact or M12 gen2 combo kit any advice. Haven’t used it myself yet, but all the reviews are stellar and I’m glad I bought it. March 21, 2017 in Power Tools. It's one of the many reasons I returned my Kobalt 24v drill; the chuck kept spinning and it wouldn't retain my bit after I let off the trigger. I've been using my 18v jigsaw for the last several weeks and though it ain't my Carvex it's an awesome portable saw. Any operator can surely make the most of this tool as it spends more time working than sitting on the charger. These tool offer power of an 18V, but the size of a 12V tool. if so go Makita. Especially if you like impact drivers lol. If you were blindfolded and you picked up these tools, you would assume they were 12V tools, they are that small and lightweight. I know its probably all mental and I'm sure manufacturer are using new light weight materials that are just as strong. Both Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Drill-Driver and Impact Driver have dual LED worklights, rubberized soft grip handles, and Makita’s BL brushless motors. 4 lbs. The most glaring and annoying thing about the Makita impact is that it doesn't have a quick load collet. Powered by Invision Community, M12 fuel combo for 169 at HD, great price there, Opinions needed (Makita 18v Subcompact vs. Milwaukee 12v Fuel), http://www.homedepot.com/s/milwaukee%20m12%20free?NCNI-5. So does this spell the end for the 12-volt tool class? (with 18V LXT Compact 2. Just wanted to get some opinions on which way to go between the 12v brushless Fuel impact/hammer drill combo kit by Milwaukee and Makita's 18v brushless sub-compact drill/impact combo. The chuck is cheap and can loosen easily, but if you get one that is aligned properly, it's going to be fine for most jobs. 00 It's awesome. The Sub-Compact 6-1/2 Circular Saw has a compact and ergonomic design at only 10-5/8 and 6.4 lbs. You cannot paste images directly. Once you get it, let us know what you think. But it was one of those things where you couldn’t have power and compact. Makita drill/driver premium vs compact vs sub-compact. We need to go Sub-Compact! When you squeeze, the back of grip it feels like it pushes away from your hand. Â So why are we taking another look at it? The M12 stuff is good, but heavy and the balance is odd. He already has a 18v system so he has access to full sized tools. The Sub-Compact 6-1/2” Circular Saw has a compact and ergonomic design at only 10-5/8” and 6. Â Amazing for an 18V system. You can post now and register later. The M12 Fuel hammer drill is actually pretty damn good. Yes but the m12 lineup is bigger than the Makita 18v compact line. Makita ; Compact vs Regular Sign in to follow this . Plus Enter to Win Future Tool Giveaways! Dewalt Combo Kit Review – 20V Drill & Impact, Makita Combo Kit Review – Drill Driver and Impact Driver, Milwaukee Drill Driver Revisit Plus Impact Driver. As far as weight, the tool only weighs 2.8 lbs and that is with a battery. At least the ones I have. It's light, compact and super comfortable to use. Â The 2Ah batteries provide ampleÂ run time and won’t die out even when fasteningÂ 3″ screws. The chuck has a nice ratchet feel, doesn't loosen either. The big deal surrounding the new Makita Sub-Compact Circular Saw involves its combination of performance and size. While he loves remodeling his house, his passion is spending time with his wife and two children. Makita Sub-Compact gives users 12-Volt handling with 18-Volt run time and compatibility with the worlds largest 18-Volt lithium-ion cordless tool system. Makita XSH04ZB LXt Sub-compact Cordless Circular Saw. The expansive breadth-of-line of the Makita 18-Volt LXT® Series means an 18-Volt battery from any LXT® tool will power the 18-Volt Sub-Compact Impact Driver. Makita is the obvious choice to me. Reply to this topic; Start new topic; Recommended Posts. Tools in Action I was speaking to a national rep (Canada). They seem to be clearing out a lot of M12 stuff. There are several 12-volt tool lines available that deliver high enough performance to be legiti… saw, as well as Hitachi's Triple Hammer, so I'm not looking to expand much (if at all) in either the Milwaukee 12v or the Makita 18v (knock on wood). While only clocking in at an average weight of 3.3 lbs. That stinks you have to wait. I use some at work, but I usually keep the M18 handy for those particular tasks. Â Yes, there are other manufacturers who make subcompact tools but trust me, they are not like the Makita subcompact. A smaller, more compact design isn’t always good enough. Â The impact has an IPM rating of 0-1,600/0-3,900 IPM which means you can use this for a wide range of fasteners. Speaking of weight, I like the larger base of the 18v compared to the torpedo-style batteries. but that weight can be a good thing too.I dont know,, i just have a problem with tools that defy gravity. Makita CX200RB 18V LXT Sub-Compact Combo Kit. That new compact gun is awesome! Of all the comparisons to make I don't think this one stands up. How can you even sleep at night Makita? Makita Subcompact Review – Final Thoughts. http://www.homedepot.com/s/milwaukee%20m12%20free?NCNI-5. Lastly, Milwaukee has more sales and that leads to better deals on eBay for new tools sold from kit splitters. Â I tried hard to find something I don’t like about them, but even with a low price tag, it’s hard to beat. Re: Hitachi, they're indeed killing it of late; their Triple Hammer is my Rolls Royce of power tools. The expansive breadth-of-line of the Makita 18V LXT® Series means an 18V battery from any LXT® tool will power the 18V Sub-Compact Hammer Driver-Drill. Your previous content has been restored. Makita Sub-Compact Drill / Driver & Impact Driver – Get a Grip on the Ergonomics Comfortable ergo with a compact form-factor make the Makita Sub-Compact tools feel like a natural extension of your hand. × Thank you everyone! By CATERPILLAR, March 8, 2017 in Makita. Clear editor. Much better than the impact for overall performance. Makita Sub Compact Circular Saw Review Overview. Skil has the weight advantage, better than 1.5 pounds lighter than Makita. Just used the sub-compact 18v impact driver today. Â When on this setting the tool controls itself to help eliminate cam out and cross threading by driving at low speeds. Makita has the advantage with a length that’s nearly 4″ shorter than Skil and close to an inch shorter than DeWalt. The Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless The Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless Cordless Portable Band Saw (XBP05ZB, tool only) delivers cordless metal cutting power in a compact size. I'm not a big fan of Milwaukee but it's semantics at this point! No matter how good a 12v line is, it will never have the power of an 18v etc. Balance is a little off, but nothing bad enough to worry about. Today, LXT® Compact continues to refine the formula of faster-charging batteries, more power and speed, and a leading power-to-weight ratio. LXT® Compact delivers outstanding performance without the bulkiness and weight of the typical cordless tool offered by competitors. Â If I had to be picky, it would be the bag. I know this is like comparing apples to oranges but I’m looking for a high quality drill for my home projects. Similar to the three previous models, this Makita XSH04ZB runs on the slide-style lithium-ion batteries known for having the fastest charge times. They’re not going to crank out the same type of speed and power as most compact 18V drills, but they’re incredibly handy tools to have when you want 12V size without leaving Makita’s 18V battery. Makita 18v LXT XSH04 6-1/2″ Circular Saw. I love the Milwaukee M12 Fuel tools. Â Now I am not saying you’re going to be mixing concrete with the driver, but when you look at the size of these tools, you will be impressed by their output. i like to feel the tool in my hand, maufactures are being pressed so hard to make things lighter and smaller, some of the new tools i pick up today are so light, that they feel really cheap, thats not for me, but thats me talking. I think this 18v sub-compact lineup has taken the Makita 12v out of the market. Even mentioned the fact that their Fuel drill/driver in particular is longer than most compact 18v drills these days. I bought the set for my dad for $200 from HD, which is the present price. Â At The Home Depot, you can pick this kit up for about $240 which includes the drill, impact, two 2Ah batteries, a charger and a bag. Makita XRH06ZB 18V LXT Lithium-Ion Sub-Compact Brushless Cordless 11/16" Rotary Hammer, Accepts Sds-Plus Bits, Tool Only 4.7 out of 5 stars 82 $229.00 $ 229 . These tools are awesome for hanging cabinets and a ton of other applications. The drill is only 6-3/8″ long and remember this is an 18V, pretty impressive. and they told me that this drill will be available in a kit-form (with impactor) later this year. Check out the price of the Makita RT0701C compact router. But I'm just looking for something compact at the moment, and there isn't anything planned there and their 12v line is weak akin to DeWalt but with marginally better support. Your link has been automatically embedded. I reached out to Milwaukee via their Facebook page and asked them when/if they'd be releasing more compact M12 fasteners a few weeks ago, and they told me nothing was in the works. The Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Combo Kit is the perfect – and right now, only – solution for the Pro who insists on carrying both heavy-duty and truly compact cordless tools every day without having to buy into a separate battery platform. Aaron, I don't have a lot of Makita tools but the ones I do own are wonderful tools. (with 18V LXT Compact 2.0Ah battery). The only reason to buy the Milwaukee is practicality, there's a huge m12 lineup. Agree, I like the M12 Fuel tools as well, as they are perfect garage use. While all manufacturers have a compact drill on the market, I can’t find one that competes with the Makita. the feel of the m12 along with the build quality is what sold me on the system. All of these come inside a stylish contractor bag that has the trademark color of Makita. Eric is a huge Cubs fans and no, he is not related to Chevy Chase. Â A ton of speed and power for most daily applications. Speaking of compact, let’s jump into the Makita Sub Compact Circular Saw Review and see how this saw performs. Â You can pick this kit up at The Home Depot and the kit comes with a drill, impact, two batteries and a charger. torque and the impact offers 1,240 in.lbs. The new 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless includes the most compact and lightest weight tools in the 18V category, giving contractors the size and handling of a 12-volt tool with the performance, power and compatibility of 18 volt. Â There is an A-Mode (assistÂ Mode). Great review I just ran across this page. Just wanted to get some opinions on which way to go between the 12v brushless Fuel impact/hammer drill combo kit by Milwaukee and Makita's 18v brushless sub-compact drill/impact combo. With the Makita, you get the best of both worlds!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, The only reason to buy the Milwaukee is practicality, there's a huge m12 lineup. Its size, which is even smaller than other compact 18V models, makes it incredibly lightweight and compact. Nice Review. The charger for your m18s will work for the m12, so you aren't adding a charger. The compact size combined with the Makita-built brushless motor delivers up to 5,000 RPM and a superior power-to-weight ratio. Makita raised the bar with their subcompact line. Â This kit has been on the market for a while and we have heard a ton of feedback.Â It’s clear this is a winning tool and we wanted to make sure it gets its respect from the tool world. Our marketing partners donât review, approve or endorse our editorial content. Upload or insert images from URL. The 36v is a good selling point on the Makitas. and length of 7.25 inches, it can deliver as much as 480 in. One thing that's really awkward about the 12v Fuels are their angled chucks on both the drill and impact. Is this common? The 18-Volt LXT Sub-Compact Brushless 1/2 in. note: made some quick 2x4 cuts and it … Two-Handed: Makita 18V LXT Brushless Sub-Compact Reciprocating Saw. M12 Fuel impact is quite a bit heavier and the balance is a bit off. Both of these deals are limited time, so I'd greatly appreciate honest opinions. Hitachi really seems to be bringing new tools to the market lately. They're set up that way (I'm assuming) so they can stand up with the smaller batteries but they just feel off when drilling and driving as I'm used to the 90 degree angles instead of the 45. Â I just think they are that nice. One of the great things about 12v tools is their ergonomics. It's also the cheapest of the trio. Keep in mind that the Makita Subcompact Hammer Drill is essentially a 12V tool strapped to an 18V battery. I know Milwaukee's 12v Fuel has been out for 3-4 years, but they told me they don't have any plans to come out with newer versions of their Fuel fasteners. Do you want a cordless ratchet? Charging is super fast. Â I know some people say who cares about the feel, but if you are using tools all day, you understand how important the right tool can be. Torque is great considering the size. I have to agree I still prefer a tool that has a little weight to it. Makita XFD10R 18V Compact Lithium-Ion Cordless Driver Drill Kit On the other side of the fence, we have a brushed cordless driver drill from Makita that produces incredible strength for its size. Both the drill and impact offer a ton of power for their size. So here is the deal, a while back we reviewed this Makita combo set which you can find here. Large selection of 12 volt tools by Milwaukee also. The assist mode is worth the difference in the kits alone, and it operates smoother and quieter. Basically comes down to the grip you prefer, the batteries you have and whether the one-handed bit change is worth having 2.5 speeds instead of 4 (come on; the 887 precision mode doesn't really count for much lol). Â Not a bad deal to jump into a huge platform with two nice tools to start out with. Makita XSH04ZB 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless 6-1/2" Circular Saw I'll have to purchase a hook. It will be for only these kits. Very nice controls. I picked up the 12v Fuel to give it a trial run, and will do the same with the Makita, and return one or the other (or both) after testing them out a bit. It also includes two BL1820B 18V LXT Lithium-Ion compact 2.0Ah batteries and the DC18RC Rapid Optimum Charger. It's very clacky sounding too. aabee, The 1/2-inch drill-driver is 6-3/8-inch long, boasts a mechanical variable 2-speed transmission of 0-500 and 0-1,700 RPM, and weights 2.8 pounds including the 18V battery. The toolkit from Makita comprises of 5 tools with 18V XLT, including a hammer driver drill, impact driver, recipro saw, circular saw, and xenon flashlight. So here is our Makita Subcompact Review. Read our Editorial GuidelinesÂ to learn more about our team. Batteries have the fuel gauge so you don't need the tool to see capacity. if so go Milwaukee. Great balance and grip feel. Never used the Makita compact tools though. That was my only real complaint with the M12 Fuel drill, the sloppy chuck. Specifications Up to 30,000 RPM of speed A 6.5 amp motor 1.25 horsepower A total weight of 3.9 pounds Pros Fits in the hand well Can be easily transported Highly durable Cons Motor drops when unlocking the base And now let … I had the Fuel and now have the Makita subcompact. I also found the grip of the M12 fuel to be a bit small and odd fitting. (with 18-Volt LXT Compact 2.0 Ah battery). By Milwaukee has the new version out which we will be reviewing soon.