XEmacs last released a new version on January 30, 2009, and it lacks many important features that exists in Emacs. A nonpartisan account of the state of XEmacs in its twilight. And Gabriel dispairs that really good looking Lisp code runs really slow. Steve-yegge.blogspot.com. Here are the most useful find replace commands for current file. Making the browser into an HTML editor has been tried before.For that matter, adding elisp scripting has been done several places...metacity (the GNOME window manager) comes to mind. Its scope system make them in many ways more flexible and powerful.The addition of tm_dialog, and built-in WebKit, mean that TextMate can already do some of the things Steve is talking about in this post. Please don't turn Emacs into a multi-language platform. Quick, No Changes Are Saved * Go to the "Options" pulldown (top of XEmacs), select "Browse Faces". At least not on me but in some beta version and then also during some migration from Xfree to Xorgs X11 variant. Mediocre machine code will outperform bytecode. The XEmacs manual is similar to the GNU Emacs Manual, from which it forked at the same time that the XEmacs software forked from GNU Emacs. It had some weird behavior that I could live with. And XEmacs has bugs. I can not even stand the FSF tries any longer on selling varpoware for me. To account for the different release schedules the most recent development version of each Emacs . The "ex" troglodyte speaks:I don't want an editor to be configurable, extensible, self-hosting, or anything else. I don't think there is any major XEmacs feature that isn't in GNU Emacs 23. If the XEmacs guys move over to GNUEmacs, will they get the same status they had under XE? XEmacs is a version of Emacs, compatible with and containing many improvements over GNU Emacs, written by Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation.It was originally based on an early release of GNU Emacs Version 19, and has tracked subsequent releases of GNU Emacs as they have become available.. Its emphasis is on modern graphical user interface support and an open software development model, similar to Linux. The only reference I found was a post from January 2016 on a website I’ve never heard of (8ch.net). Jamie Zawinski, “The Lemacs/FSFmacs Schism”, 2000. Their titles hint at their tone. As far as I know, XEmacs is effectively dead; the version you installed is 7+ years old. 2017年7月27日 閲覧。 “Luckily many of the package maintainers are attempting to make their modules work with both Xemacs and Gnu Emacs, though the functionality may not be identical.” It offered features that Emacs didn’t have, and therefore caused a schism among Emacs users. >> As soon as emacs gets proportional>> anti-aliased fonts, I'll switch. Steve Yegge, “XEmacs is Dead. Emacs 19 was supposed to get some of that stuff, but it had been in development for a while with no release in sight. Heading starts with a asterisk, like this: It's an emacs-inspired web browser built on top of XUL. Just room for text. AkitaOnRails:TextMate isn't 1e-10 times as customizable as emacs. I just install everything from Cygwin and type the following to run Emacs: XWin -multiwindow export DISPLAY=:0.0 emacs& It may also help to create a link to your C drive (or any other drive) like so: ln -s /cygdrive/c /c. And there the story ends. In subsequent years Emacs would catch up to XEmacs in terms of features. installations from the debian popularity contest:emacs21 30982emacs22 18491xemacs21 10795sure, debian’s a limited sample, but damn people are still using xemacs!shin_dig: I can’t tell why someone would want to run a text editor (as opposed to an word processor) in a proportional font — especially for programming. Notice at the bottom of your XEmacs that it’ll prompt you to choose what you want to change. That's the only thing I really miss. Regarding compiled packages, I'd probably store all the .el files in one directory (say emacs-lisp), but have an xemacs variant (xemacs-lisp) with symlinks to the .el files. Steve, we are Mozilla. XEmacs comes with a 500+ page internals manual (Wing, et al., 2004). You convinced me to switch about a month ago and it continues to be a mind-blowing experience. I don't even drink coffee. Thanks for clearing that up for me! Monnier is an Emacs maintainer. Package authors generally want to reach as wide an audience as possible, so a great deal of effort was spent on maintining XEmacs compatibility. I>> can't go back to scratchy fixed width >> fonts.GNU Emacs 23 (wich is under active development and can be installed on debian/ubuntu systems as 'emacs-snapshot') does support proportional and anti-aliased vector fonts. More so regularly in recent months. The CLR is *not* winning the multiple languages race, though they're making a good showing and catching up quickly. The CLR, for all the noise, has only a handful of complete, useful languages implemented, and a substantial portion of those are Microsoft-controlled implementations. Long Live XEmacs!”. Nowadays, XEmacs is essentially dead. "Customize face: (default all)" Hit the "Enter key" to choose all. Turbo C 2.0 worked on a 640k DOS machine. GNU Emacs is free and open source text editor.It was created by GNU Project founder Richard Stallman.In common with other varieties of Emacs, GNU Emacs is extensible using a Turing complete programming language. I have written some simple ELISP stuff, and I like LISP, even tho it is difficult to approach sometimes.I find that I spend most of my time in Emacs, and that time is more productive than time I spend in Visual Studio, or any other editor or IDE that I have tried, for that matter.I think without ELISP, Emacs wouldn't be anywhere near as useful. Your article makes it sound as if xemacs is somehow unstable. It is protected under the GNU Public License and related to other versions of Emacs, in particular GNU Emacs. It's time to end this "CLR is the best multi-language runtime" meme and realize that the JVM is just as good or better, and has had a lot more practice. You have to settle on some cross-platform-editor. One of the main disagreements involves different views of copyright assignment. I keep getting bit by the no tail-recursion thing , you'd think I would have learned by now. That's not a real loss from the productivity standpoint.XULRunner and some OS glue seem to be the only things not written in JavaScript. For a description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file. The main ones are: GNU, GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, MacOS, MS Windows and Solaris. You can get the source code here: Lisp: typing.el; A game for fast typers! Use the mouse! My best guess is that org relies on newer features that the old XEmacs version you have does not supply. I do use a lot of the R and S programming language and a couple of years ago moved over to gnu emacs after over 6 years of xemacs. Updates occur to allow dframe to display directory information Man, it has a lot of bugs. XEmacs is much more than just a Text Editor. Not XEmacs..Emacs. It doesn't have the verbosity of Scheme, Lisp or Java. Jamie> Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, Jamie> I'll use regular expressions." I never recall it crashing, and I keep an XEmacs session open with half a hundred buffers for many, many months. CC Mode CC Mode is a GNU Emacs and XEmacs mode for editing C and other languages with similar syntax; curren I try to imagine integrating Ruby's object system into e-lisp or trying to call a macro from Python, and it seems like that for the languages to interoperate, you'd have to loose the a lot of the meta-programming techiniques from all languages which make them so popular in the first place, or, at least restrict them so they don't carry over between languages. Something like, killing all the open buffers would close the application, instead of leaving a *scratch* buffer. You write your code in the environment, compile and execute it as well as saving the state of all existing object instances.Obviously everyone isn't beating down the door of the smalltalk/squeak crowd but Dan Ingalls created a similar environment in a browser using javascript and called it the Lively Kernel. I'm on the XEmacs-beta mailing list, and I saw a major patch from someone who totally upgraded the regex module, now allowing XEmacs regexps to deal with things like (blah){2,3}, minimal-matching, etc. Everything I know about it comes from primary or secondary sources. http://fjl.wurzelzwergundmaerchenfee.de/img/euthanize.png, Settling the OS X focus-follows-mouse debate, js2-mode: a new JavaScript mode for Emacs, Ten Tips for a (Slightly) Less Awful Resume, "We're going to get lynched, aren't we?" And then GNU Emacs kept changing the rules for how to set ^h to 'back-hacking-tabs'. Alt+x query-replace 【Alt+%】 → interactive find/replace on active region, or cursor point to end. You mean, a text editor built upon the mozilla platform, with extensions and stuff? XEmacs can take 4 or 5 seconds or longer to fontify a medium-sized source file. He is correct that C programmers are unable to make this kind of mistake. You generally can't crash Emacs with bad Elisp.I like Greasemonkey, but (last I tried it), it makes browsing slower...it seems to be linear with the number of GM scripts you bolt on.For that matter, the original Netscape let you edit HTML pages...can't you do that in Mozilla as well? Since the 24.5 release, tarballs are signed with the GPG key from Nicolas Petton , fingerprint 28D3 BED8 51FD F3AB 57FE F93C 2335 87A4 7C20 7910 (until 25.3) or D405 AA2C 862C 54… How am i supposed to make progress?I've never gotten very far into Lisp and variants, though i've been goofing with Guile of late. Your title stirs a tempest in a teapot. Great post. is there a port of the Xemacs' dired, or at least a partial port, for Emacs 24.x? Since the 1999 or so the are talking about a Guile-Emacs, and where is it?Another thing which might seduce me to try is a really good gnome or kde or the like integrated (X)Emacs But this will not happen anytime soon and so I'm happy hacking away on my good 'ol XEmacsRegardsFriedrich. And liking it. Heh. The selected window contains the cursor on the character after point. I can't go back to scratchy fixed width fonts.It does. Manage lists; Login; Sign Up; Login; Sign Up; Manage this list 2014年12月1日 閲覧。 ^ “A Comparison of Xemacs and Gnu Emacs”. Its emphasis is on modern graphical user interface support and an open software development model, similar to Linux. "Dude, just because you can't figure out how to switch between windows on that weird Mac you picked up, don't make us smoosh all of our apps into one window^W app^W thingy^W whatever. Xah xah@xahlee.org∑ http://xahlee.org/☄. A nonpartisan account of the state of XEmacs in its twilight. Sure, it shows that big progress bar in the middle of the screen, so you know it’s not dead, but when you’re used to it being almost instantaneous, coming back to XEmacs is a real shocker. You make a good point about Emacs being self-hosting, but I don't think it's actually quite right. It has only been a few months since the Emacs community went through an extended discussion on how to make the Emacs editor "popular again". However, to change it in atypical way, such as modernize its documentation out of its 1980's context and writing in a systematic non-trivial update, or modernize its GUI out of the build up from 1980's ways, or, as you suggest, introducing or integrating or embracing some VM... am afraid will be nigh impossible, or take a long, long, long, time.For me, i feel the most urgent change emacs needs is a few basic interface changes, detailed here: http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.htmlThe most effective method to make a stratedgic change, is, like Xemacs has done, or as Aquamacs has done, by simply having a capable person fork his own version with his vision, out in the public. I have used XEmacs for 10 years now. You already convinced me to switch away from XEmacs a few essays ago, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Man, it has a lot of bugs. >And you thought I'd given up on controversial blogs. (If you know the name, you can type the name to just change the one color.) Much of this I share from a long history with Squeak.We have just put together the makings of "another run at the fence" in JavaScript that might interest you. : ), Great article, as always.Which leads me to the question: I am not an Emacs user and I always see people like you talking about how cool the self-hosting environment is.I also agree that IDEs like Eclipse, NetBeans, etc get in the way and I am never motivated to write a whole plugin to them. ... Quail supports both typical "dead-key" methods (eg, in the "latin-1-prefix" method, " … I've been an XEmacs user for years now, mostly out of habit more than anything else. Spacemacs is a new way to experience Emacs -- a sophisticated and polished set-up focused on. "))))david-kill-C-x-C-c just saves me from fat-fingering C-x C-c and ending my emacs session.I manually run M-x david-session-start on my One True Emacs (tm) session. XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE (Asian-language) support. It references a post on the XEmacs development that I can’t get at anymore because lists.xemacs.org is dead. I just hope there's no petty license squabbles along the way.Perhaps we need to embed a self-hosting env into FF, one that doesn't require restarts. Last line is the mode line. But I'm not sure that the benefits are worth the work. The developers of XEmacs, the independently-maintained offshoot of GNU Emacs, have released a new version of this versatile editor. Emacs runs on several operating systems regardless of the machine type. More like a eulogy than a postmortem. And the results show.A text editor should be like a text field - it doesn't need menus, it doesn't need modern GUI buttons and dialogues and stuff. Like portable dumping and support for background images. XEmacs is another, as are Lisp in general, C, various symbolic debuggers, etc. GNU Emacs still doesn't do this (by default). This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list—a compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest programs ever written. I'm on Ubuntu 18.10 but there are no apt … You are my hero. (by the way, sorry for the off-topic). GNU Emacs has been called "the most powerful text editor available today". Probably somebody still uses it, and the website is up, but I have not personally heard of anyone using it any time recently. Long Live XEmacs!”, 2008. I found this in the Weekly Squeak. Long Live XEmacs!”. I suggest you install GNU Emacs instead, which is actively developed. XEmacs is a highly customizable open source text editor and application development system. It is protected under the GNU Public License and related to other versions of Emacs, in particular GNU Emacs. Of all your writings, i almost agree whole heartedly, and the more i read, the more i see the years of experience and wisdom behind it.However, there's something out of the ordinary today. Dude, i've been using xemacs nearly every day since 1997 and i think it's crashed on me 1 time, maybe 2. A lot of that work ended up in Emacs – the Elisp byte code compiler, for instance, is credited to Jamie Zawinski – but a lot of it, as a result of Richard Stallman’s objections, did not. XEmacs maintainers, “XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs”, ¿2001? The domain still exists and according to whois was last updated in September 2015. In terms of functionality, what are the key points that presently distinguish XEmacs from GNU Emacs? XEmacs 20.0 was released in February 1997, followed by XEmacs 20.2 in May, XEmacs 20.3 in November and XEmacs 20.4 in February 1998. Each contains a buffer with a point between two characters. !Sorry :). It took me and Mike McMahon endless hours to implement so many commands to make ZWEI/Zmacs.Now, if you mean reimplement the core of GNU [X]Emacs, the stuff that's written in C, so that the existing elisp can all be used, that's more realistic. Re: aquamacsI had it for less than 5 minutes on my computer. Only 2 kinds; 32-bit and 64-bit. There is a known bug onOS X that prevents “Save Options” fro… 2017年7月27日 閲覧。 “Luckily many of the package maintainers are attempting to make their modules work with both Xemacs and Gnu Emacs, though the functionality may not be identical.” Internationalization. typing.el — The Typing Of Emacs. Several of XEmacs's principal developers have published accounts of the split between XEmacs and GNU Emacs, for example, Stephen Turnbull's summary of the arguments from both sides. It's an asylum seeker in the UnixCulture." My one missing feature is good tab completion in the M-x compile minibuffer. XEmacs is a self-documenting, customizable, extensible, real-time display editor Display: text is visible on the screen and is updated automatically as you type (c.f. And having everything in my buffer-list instead of tabs would be a towering victory.Sure, it wouldn't have the same chrome control as XUL, the browser bits would require completely different extension techniques than the rest of emacs, and you wouldn't have the full multilingual support you're talking about, but, at least for my purposes, it would definitely quality as a 90% solution. You may have just convinced me to give GNU Emacs another go. You're the man, Stevie. Sure, it shows that big progress bar in the middle of the screen, so you know it's not dead, but when you're used to it being almost instantaneous, coming back to XEmacs is a real shocker. XEmacs is a highly customizable open source text editor and application development system. Not all of them, but enough of them to make an impact. I can't go back to scratchy fixed width fonts. Lispworks still sells Liquid Common Lisp, née Lucid Common Lisp. Did i say "sudo apt-get install emacs", or did i say "sudo apt-get install xemacs". My current session has been open since 5 or 6 days. Pages there haven't been updated for 5 or 10 years. This doesn't necessarily suggest dark politics or other conspiracy theories. The only thing that every article brags about is 'self-hosting', so please elaborate on how self-hosting environments can actually improve my productivity in comparison with other modern IDEs.Best Regards. It's still not posix, but it's half the reason I wanted Perl embedded. org mode markup syntax 2019-01-25 In emacs, Alt+x org-mode to start org mode. Spacemacs is a new way to experience Emacs -- a sophisticated and polished set-up focused on.